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Over unity devices: Lutec over unity motor proof of concept
beingzoe almost 2 years ago | 13 responses    

Howdy, been playing with the Bendini designs and tinkering with a few different ideas of my own, be able to do more in a couple years, but monitoring what people have done to see if I can learn anything that I have not tried yet or would like to try. The lutec motor generator looks to be operating nicely, it looks as if you are using a set voltage in and getting a good boost on the output. If you use a battery, 12v with a regulator, 7805 with heatsink, for the input to the motor and do the experiment again, do you get the same results. I may have a even more effective design for the motor, and you can buy it off the shelf, resonable too, the generating part is going to be the interesting thing to learn and built for me.

Ken, I am fascinated by this topic but my understanding of the topic is very limited. Periodically I try doing some research and posting sustainable energy topics here in the hopes that people such as yourself could shed more light on the subject.

Please tell us more about your motor, and anything else that would help us understand why the Bendini motor works.

Honestly I am somewhat skeptical, but remain hopeful that an over unity system could be designed (there sure a lot of people claiming it is possible). But he cynical side of me wonders how it could not be put to market in some useful way already if it does work. My only guess would be that even if it does work, it can only be done on a small scale and with too little power for everyday use.

I look forward to learning more.

i’m certain that overunity is a concept that is real.Just look in a mirror and you will see an overunity device.I can’t imagine why all those nay sayers think that we have learned everything that there is to learn in our reality,but for everyone that is struggeling to get these things out there -GOOD LUCK and God bless.

The reason these motors aren’t on the market is because big oil and many others don’t want to go out of business which is exactly what would happen if everyone started buying these motors These devices are very real and if built on the proper scale could power a whole home very easily. There have many others besides lutec that wanted to market these motors and you no longer hear about them. Michael Nugent of Cyclone Magnetic Engines had the same exact working motor and you don’t hear about him anymore. John Cristie of Lutec will has already started to fade away. He was suppose to have that thing on the market a long time ago. It’s up to individuals like us to all start making our own motors and then theres too many people for the higher powers to shut down. Thats how we win. The information is out there. There are a complete set of plans and instructions for the basic Bedini motor at this site. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG
Good luck and never give up because there is real freedmon at the end of the road.

The reason that the moters are not on the market is because of a scientific heresy about anything that is considered perpetual motion. The inventor of the seam engine was kicked out of college because the professors didn’t realize that the concept depended on a exausible fuel source. Even Tesla didn’t believe a sponser of his when a man in Washington State invented the first overunity moter generator that produced 2000Watt hours of power verified by the lightbulb that remained on after the moter generator was physically jump started. Until you can scientifically prove what the exaustible resource is, even if it is big bang redidual energy, you could run a corprate headquarters on it and never get any traction because of government restrictions on any technowlegy that is seen to be perpetual motion will deture any real investment. Otherwise, the oil industry would buy the tech and restrict its developement like it did with carberators that could be used to create cars that are more fuel efficient than current hibrids and better for the environment on production carbon footprint and usage carbon footprint.

I realize that nearly every marvel of science was once considered an impossibility, but it’s going to take a little more than a few youtube videos, conspiracy theorists, and people asking for funding for me to throw the fundamentals of physics completely out the window.

I am not defending any particular “over Unity” idea. However, The fundamentals of physics were “completely thrown out the window” three time during the 20th century to explain subatomic particals. Hutchinson has been interviewed my journalist and investigated by government agency from Canida and th US. There is no good eplanation for his “infinite batteries” or his wierd electro-gravity effects however, noone can bring any consistancy to the effects where each experiment has a different effect and each battery has different votage and amperage properties. This doesn’t mean that what he does is somehow fake just not understood well enough to be made into a product. I wouldn’t recommend investing in any of this but I do incourage people to experiment for them selves. Can any of the ideas out there really hold a consistand load? The only way to verify that would be to spend a few bucks at a store and a little time putting something together and see for oneself. There where inventers in early Roman times that came very close to inventing the steam engine but they didn’t know what they had and didn’t extend the experimentatin far enough. it took almost two melenium for someone to think of it on perpose.

Tsouth5 I don’t think Alan was saying it was impossible or that we won’t have to throw certain laws of physics out of the window, but for much the same reason I post these videos and links from time to time, I want to see some more proof. I want it to work and I want to believe, but where is a proof of concept in the marketplace, even if only to generate a few watts to charge my phone?

I would hesitate to label anything impossible. And I would never suggest that people discontinue the advancement of science. However, I am sure that none of these tabletop contraptions are doing anything astounding (including Lutec’s larger than table top designs). I will admit that playing with magnets is a great deal of fun. These “inventors” seem more intent on breaking the rules of thermodynamics than making any useful progress. If one day we create a system that provides “free energy” I’ll bet that the energy has a source of some sort. I don’t know if we will ever learn to transform the very fabric of space into usable energy or not. If we do this or something like this, I wouldn’t call it an over unity system no more than I would label an atom bomb as being over unity. Sure, it’s a lot more energy than you might expect but it wasn’t squeezed out of nothingness. More over, I’ll bet that it’s invented by someone who targets the mysterious energy source specifically, not people taking random stabs at the armor of thermodynamics. I don’t want to come off as sounding discouraging. Who doesn’t like tinkering in their garage? I’m going on and on and all I really wanted to say is look out for the modern day alchemists selling painted lead. You don’t have to look very hard to find someone saying that Lutec’s numbers don’t add up. And please don’t be fooled by the video of the Lego version of the Lutec design in the previous link. I promise you that is a just a computer generated 3D model, neat though. John Bedini of the Bedini motor also sells a compact disc clarifier. As for me, I’ll stick with the green Magic Markers. They are so much cheaper, faster, greener, more compact and, if you decide that you can’t hear the vast improvement in your audio system, at least you’ve got yourself a kick ass green Magic Marker.

I’ve posted this before but I’ll repeat it again:

Lutec send me a report on the validation of the Lutec LEA device by the Danish Technology University on the 7th of August 2008. This report contains many serious errors in both math and measurement methods. For instance the report claims a 1 Ohm resistor carrying an average current of 3.07 Ampere dissipates about 56 Watts. Ohm’s law says that a 1 Ohm resistor carrying 3.07 Ampere dissipates 9.4 Watts (Power= Current^2 * Resistance).

The basic error in all their measurements is that they use equipment intended to measure DC currents and voltages on pulsed currents en voltages. Equipment for DC measurements are simply unsuitable for these type of measurements and show anything but the correct value.

Anyway if I put all the numbers mentiod in the report they send me in the correct place I get an efficiency of 73% (which is realistic for a motor-generator combination). This is way less than the 200% efficiency they claim in the report they send me. Based on the report it is safe to say the Lutec device is just another hoax.

Thanks for the update Nico. I suspected something like that (ignoring the defying the laws of physics bit altogether) that there had to be some rational explanation. I always just want to know what is actually happening in these videos (and hold out hope that we can defy the laws of physics). I always wonder about the motivation behind pretending to accomplish overunity. Even if you fooled yourself with bad test conditions, wouldn’t you just admit your, “oops,” when you realized it.

Alan had mentioned elsewhere that Scientists are unlikely to even want to “prove” people like this wrong. They don’t believe it can happen at all so what would be the point. So while I am an athiest who knows the earth is round and orbits the sun, I don’t feel compelled to prove that the people who do are wrong. Why bother.

So I guess when it comes to perpetual motion I am an overunity thumping energist! Alas, the evidence doesn’t back up my desired beliefs. I was even fooled by the fake “magent-lego-perpetual-motion-video” that Alan linked to. Amazing 3d rendering though.

Thanks again for some info on the Lutec folks Nico.

You are right about at least having a look at something that appears impossible. It is very important to try and find the error so people can be prevented from investing into a pipe dream. I had some e-mail conversations with the people from Lutec but they are unwilling to admit their mistakes even after I send them a thourough mathematical proof of their math error.

You can forget about defying the laws of physics. Perhaps there will be new insights from quantum theory that offer new definitions of the laws of physics (more details and perhaps exceptions). However the theories are so complex that they make Einstein’s relativity theory look like stuff they teach in kindergarten.

Take the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) for example. That is far beyond anything that someone can put together in his garage.

I really like the discussion that is going on here. I almost feel bad for Lutec because we are having our own conversation no longer related to Lutec sense Nico found the error in Lutecs work. I like to bring up Hutchinson agian because his expierements do neat things and his batteries do work though who knows why. He call the batteries zero point energy batteries and sais he does not know where the energy is comming from. I have no doubt that the energy is coming from some place and that in the end the energy is exaustable. We are limited in experimentation sense those who have Colliders have to give good reason for use with existing proof before they can use them so there really is no “tinkering” with them. Though when I was in junior high school and had never heard of Perpetual motion or Over unity or any of this, I had a dream that I had built in my garage a series of moter generators in a cylender container that not only produced power for a very long amount of watt hours but also produced anti-gravity effects. I built a front wheel drive go-cart using the invention to lift the back end and run the electric moter and A/C and no-one wanted to even look at it. I’d like to think that Someone tinkering in their garrage could make this device and that others would look at it. One of the best Rail Guns was built and is maintained on someones garrage today. I guess it come down to who works where and what spare parts that can they get be used to do what cool thing.

I think we all agree on two things. One is the math has got to be good. and two, there has to be an exaustable fuel of some sort. If we find and verify the first then we can be excited about dicovering and verifying the second. I have often wondered if a divice could be made where the pattern of polarity was more important than the magnitude of electromagnatism. this is true to using magnatite as a useful fuel source and it takes great energy in electricity or heat or both to align magnitite so it can be used as a generator magnate but all magnets loose there polerity in time due to shock and friction of use. It is this that leads me to believe that someone could tinker and succeed but it couldn’t be just another phase pole design.